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after the election, the risk that the market basically these two portfolios are traching each other are perfect mirror images here. they were betting at this point we were going to go over the cliff. in other words the -- over the cliff portfolio was the outperformer until today. they have crossed. so now it's gone lower. we hit the cliff and avoid it is going higher at this point. two things to watch for this week. we got all that treasury paper coming to market here. the yield has moved higher. but we'll see what happens there. then the other thing is natural gas at a two-month low and moving lower because of all the warm weather in the markets now. nat gas subpoena in fact we come off this low here. with the market up 20 points here, what do you make of this -- of our model portfolio fiscal cliff portfolios? >> i was very surprised that it crossed today. i mean, with very little activity, very little movement on pretty much any stock that it crossed today. i was surprised with that. i'm becoming a little more convinced that we're not going to have any resolution at all. i thought the
after the election, the risk that the market basically these two portfolios are traching each other are perfect mirror images here. they were betting at this point we were going to go over the cliff. in other words the -- over the cliff portfolio was the outperformer until today. they have crossed. so now it's gone lower. we hit the cliff and avoid it is going higher at this point. two things to watch for this week. we got all that treasury paper coming to market here. the yield has moved...
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also remember the exit polling from the elections that shows people are fine with taxes going up on the top 2%. this is part of why the deal from john boehner was a non starter. he said how about deduction caps so you have lots of taxes. is he in trouble with his right wing? >> yes, he is. they have purged the scam. you said it. spending cuts. they are talking about $350 billion. what matters here is the numbers. we can't afford this. we have $16 trillion in debt. we have $87 trillion in unfunded highbilities those are promises that are made that we have to keep. >> guys, this is part of what is interesting about this conversation. when you hear the speaker talking about the loop holes that is the same rhetoric that we heard from mit romney. >> they are using the stuff that is done in the budget control last year. >> those are terrible talking points. >> let me say this point. >> hang on a second. i want to go to guy benson on another point. there is a lot of talk that the republicans might have a doom's day scenario. if there is a budget stalemate, then the republicans will allow a vot
also remember the exit polling from the elections that shows people are fine with taxes going up on the top 2%. this is part of why the deal from john boehner was a non starter. he said how about deduction caps so you have lots of taxes. is he in trouble with his right wing? >> yes, he is. they have purged the scam. you said it. spending cuts. they are talking about $350 billion. what matters here is the numbers. we can't afford this. we have $16 trillion in debt. we have $87 trillion in...
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we thought we'd have elections march/april, there's the prospect it could be a snap election much earlier perhaps in the new year. now the good news is there isn't a huge amount of blowout on the bonds at the short end of the italian markets. the yields are higher but not huge relative to where we've been but on the ten-year italian market you can see we're slightly higher but no great shakes overall. it means the rally in the peripheral bond market we've witnessed in italy and spain has now stalled at this stage. remember we had the auction in spain yesterday and the yields are slightly higher relative to where we've been, they're still relatively depressed. we talk about the problems in europe, i thought it was worth pointing out amidst all the malaise what is happening in germany today an astounding manufacturing german manufacturing orders result from germany up 3.9% in october, a phenomenal performance from german industry and it's worth bearing in mind that german industry is basically in a single currency that is too low arguably for what it should be at. the deutsche mark would ha
we thought we'd have elections march/april, there's the prospect it could be a snap election much earlier perhaps in the new year. now the good news is there isn't a huge amount of blowout on the bonds at the short end of the italian markets. the yields are higher but not huge relative to where we've been but on the ten-year italian market you can see we're slightly higher but no great shakes overall. it means the rally in the peripheral bond market we've witnessed in italy and spain has now...
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sandy, the election, holiday workers. you say three asterisks. >> yeah, i think it has to have three asterisks, it doesn't fit in with initial claims and other items. they said sandy had no impact on the number. i think that may be because the number was basically taken before the impact was held. i think they're going to see a lot of revisions here. >> next week setting up. it's going to be another big one. same store sales from various companies and, of course, the fed. >> the fed is important. it's another one of those two-day meetings. they're going to take down operation twist. this will be important because he gets to announce at a press conference. that gives them a chance to explain what the mood of the meeting was. it will give them a chance to hear what the new proposal, qe whatever, is supposed to do and how they want to set it up. so i think the markets will hone in on that very, very carefully. >> do you think we see an acceleration of purchases, a revamp of twists? will there be an event as i said earlier? >
sandy, the election, holiday workers. you say three asterisks. >> yeah, i think it has to have three asterisks, it doesn't fit in with initial claims and other items. they said sandy had no impact on the number. i think that may be because the number was basically taken before the impact was held. i think they're going to see a lot of revisions here. >> next week setting up. it's going to be another big one. same store sales from various companies and, of course, the fed. >>...
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it is a massive totalitarian state, grabbing power, and it gives its parliament elections but in power, and it does not like disagreement and it is against opposition, and, in fact, there are move moves afoot to stay any speaking against the european is a legal on fence and it is founded upon deceit and corruption. why did the european union need 2,000 secret bank accounts if it wasn't bribing politicians all over the place? grabbing totalitarian similar to the soviet union but the neighbors now are frighten and norway has given it a totally undeserved peace prize which is staggering. >>neil: staggering to me as well, the former u.k. parliament member. he calls it like he sees them. and now some american folly pointing fingers this washington over a deal that is not happening and angry republicans have had it with their own leader and are more than just rumbleing. >>neil: and now, they fear they did not get that much done at the meeting, and we are working on getting president obama and speaker boehner to sit down and hash it out. and now time for a friendly super hero to get moving. >
it is a massive totalitarian state, grabbing power, and it gives its parliament elections but in power, and it does not like disagreement and it is against opposition, and, in fact, there are move moves afoot to stay any speaking against the european is a legal on fence and it is founded upon deceit and corruption. why did the european union need 2,000 secret bank accounts if it wasn't bribing politicians all over the place? grabbing totalitarian similar to the soviet union but the neighbors...
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andrea merkel has to get elected in the second half of next year. that's going to make it difficult for any pro-growth solutions to appear in europe. i think, frankly, i'm not that confident that the market hasn't already positively priced in a fiscal cliff resolution. i think the first half is like a bungee jump. >> so dan, cut through all of that, right. if we could put aside trying to forecast where the s&p is going to be, where the dow is going to be, regardless of where the markets in general are going to be, i believe you have stock picks for us. name what they are and will they be able to perform regardless of the macro environment? >> all right. we are focused on. companies that can grow regardless of what happens in the economy. three stocks we like, one is denbury resources. what's interesting about them is they have hedged their forward sales of oil so the lowest they're going to receive is $80 next year. at those rates, they're going to be a very profitable company. it's a very inexpensive stock. we like that. it's a u.s. oil producer as
andrea merkel has to get elected in the second half of next year. that's going to make it difficult for any pro-growth solutions to appear in europe. i think, frankly, i'm not that confident that the market hasn't already positively priced in a fiscal cliff resolution. i think the first half is like a bungee jump. >> so dan, cut through all of that, right. if we could put aside trying to forecast where the s&p is going to be, where the dow is going to be, regardless of where the...
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doing precisely that. >> got through the election on social issues. on the economy, i think it's pretty clear that nobody voted for four more years of the current economy. four more years to get his house in order and he's not going to get his house in order using the red herring of taxes when it's entitlemen entitlements. it just isn't going to work, simon. >> i get it. i'm just pointing out -- >> you know what, let's take jobless claims. >> i get it. >> over the last three days, jobless claims to sustain that renewal again which i think is a bad idea, that's 30 to $35 billion a year. i heard many democrats say that's a small amount, why shouldn't we do that? that's about halfway to the total amount they're talking about taxes. but whent's that, it's small. but when it's the 70 to $80 billion am toortized over ten years, all of a sudden it's big. i'm not saying don't raise taxes. if i signed the pledge, i would do it for good reasons. i haven't seen a good reason. i haven't seen a plan that promotes the big guy in the room. >> see you in the next hou
doing precisely that. >> got through the election on social issues. on the economy, i think it's pretty clear that nobody voted for four more years of the current economy. four more years to get his house in order and he's not going to get his house in order using the red herring of taxes when it's entitlemen entitlements. it just isn't going to work, simon. >> i get it. i'm just pointing out -- >> you know what, let's take jobless claims. >> i get it. >> over the...
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the president of the united states is back to his old dog and pony show for three weeks after the election he didn't say or do anything. he's back to giving public speeches. with a plan that he knew was going to be rejected by republicans, we actually need the president of the united states to sit down with speaker boehner and have a kfrg. i can't understand this president. he likes to legislate and give speeches but he doesn't like to get involved actively in the legislative pros is he and that's exactly what we need and we haven't heard increase in revenue. we haven't heard what the white house is willing to give up and i think the plan is reductions in spending and what is increasing deficit is not that the rich is not paying enough taxes. >> what is going to come from the left? because david brooks from the "new york times" made this observation. republicans have to realize that they are going to cave on tax rates. the only question is, what do they get in return? as we know, tax rates are a must-have for the president, the revenue there as alfonso was pointing out, revenueses are on t
the president of the united states is back to his old dog and pony show for three weeks after the election he didn't say or do anything. he's back to giving public speeches. with a plan that he knew was going to be rejected by republicans, we actually need the president of the united states to sit down with speaker boehner and have a kfrg. i can't understand this president. he likes to legislate and give speeches but he doesn't like to get involved actively in the legislative pros is he and...
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what did you make of the election battle. it was pretty bruising and pretty nasty. they don't seem to have learned very much on either side how to get stuff done for america. >> there's countless people who have said the gop's casting department has to be fired an restaffed because this was a race that was theirs for the taking. they really, really could have brought him down. i think the vice presidential choice was critical. i think if you had romney who was plenty conservative for most people i know, maybe not for people in red state, christian conservatives. needed to put a woman on the ticket. >> i was amazed he didn't go from the over demographics. he had marco rubio on condoleezza rice if they had done it. >> if he had gone for meg wh whitman. he might have won. if he took a serious woman as opposed to palin in 2008. >> on obama, he fought a campaign that was pretty skillful on the ground where it mattered in the swing states. probably why he won. by any kind of criminal just you say he didn't live up to the promise he gave four years ago. what do you want hi
what did you make of the election battle. it was pretty bruising and pretty nasty. they don't seem to have learned very much on either side how to get stuff done for america. >> there's countless people who have said the gop's casting department has to be fired an restaffed because this was a race that was theirs for the taking. they really, really could have brought him down. i think the vice presidential choice was critical. i think if you had romney who was plenty conservative for most...
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ever since obama won the election, we are now in deal mode. i have to tell you, we're going to have a stellar year. it's going to be at a price. the price is going to be -- january is probably going to be much worse than predicted. february, march, et cetera. we're borrowing for the future, yet again. >> that's a really good point. is this just a short-term thing? next year in 2013, once we see cap gains taxes go much higher, which they probably will, do things slow down again? >> oh, yeah. i think it will slow down again. i think people will hunker down, particularly are the whole fiscal cliff story hanging. even if it goes over, which i predict it will -- >> so do i. >> diana, what are you seeing? >> in the high ends where dolly works, of course it's going to have a big effect. let's keep this in perspective when we look at the housing recovery. homes price ed over $1 million were just 1.7% of sales in october. this is a minuscule amount when you look at the overall housing market and the recovery. that's why we're not seeing prices come dow
ever since obama won the election, we are now in deal mode. i have to tell you, we're going to have a stellar year. it's going to be at a price. the price is going to be -- january is probably going to be much worse than predicted. february, march, et cetera. we're borrowing for the future, yet again. >> that's a really good point. is this just a short-term thing? next year in 2013, once we see cap gains taxes go much higher, which they probably will, do things slow down again? >>...
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, elections of consequences. remember that famous soundbyte? obama ran on higher taxes for the wealthy and won. lz, shouldn't he be making the same argument? that is what he ran on. >> absolutely. you know what i find interesting, if you look at the statistics, many of the blue states that supported president obama are some of the richest states in the country. and so not only did you have him defeat romney pretty handedly in the electoral college, but people willing to sacrifice their own money to make sure that president obama, his policies made it to the white house. you know, it was the exact opposite in just the republicans. some of the red states were some of the poorest states in the country. so i think it is very interesting that when you see average american citizens who happen to be making a little bit more money willing to sacrifice for the good of the country, i think that's a good message and something to get behind and stand on. >> lz, our producers are here, can we keep them over the break? i want
, elections of consequences. remember that famous soundbyte? obama ran on higher taxes for the wealthy and won. lz, shouldn't he be making the same argument? that is what he ran on. >> absolutely. you know what i find interesting, if you look at the statistics, many of the blue states that supported president obama are some of the richest states in the country. and so not only did you have him defeat romney pretty handedly in the electoral college, but people willing to sacrifice their...
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the president won re-election. this was not something that -- may have hurt the economy and something republicans blamed for. look at the numbers. terrible. not just only as a party but particularly in congress right now. you know, this is not -- this is not a long-term winning game i don't think for republicans to hold up every agreement claiming leverage where they don't have it. i think they need to find in order to do better areas they have got more public support than they seem to have on the issues. 60% according to a new politi politico/george washington university poll believes the top should have an increase in taxes. fighting the public and appear to be ideological doesn't seem to work. certainly didn't in terms of knocking president obama off. >> one thing that also didn't work in 2011 was the president ab do kating the role to nancy pelosi and harry reid. this time around, maybe because he feels he has the mandate, he's doing the negotiations straight on with boehner which i think leads to a better resu
the president won re-election. this was not something that -- may have hurt the economy and something republicans blamed for. look at the numbers. terrible. not just only as a party but particularly in congress right now. you know, this is not -- this is not a long-term winning game i don't think for republicans to hold up every agreement claiming leverage where they don't have it. i think they need to find in order to do better areas they have got more public support than they seem to have on...
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they have an election every two years and they got elected again and they've got constituents that sent them there for a reason. and then you've got the president would is just -- you know, just being hammered by the left on not caving this time around because he got so much grief the last time. this is setting up for us to go over the cliff, isn't it? what do you think? do we go over it or not? >> yeah, it is very difficult. and i feel bad for john boehner. he's in a difficult situation. i did want to remind john that he should look at the young, newer members that are so difficult to persuade to make an easy deal compromise. and remember, it wasn't too many years ago, john, that was you and me and we were driving bob michael and president bush nuts when the democrats were offering them, give us the tax increases now, we'll give you the spending cuts later and we were saying, oh, no, they'll never keep their word on the spending cuts. they'll tax the tax increases. quite frankly, the speaker has a difficult role to play here. he's seen by so many people as the principal guardian of our
they have an election every two years and they got elected again and they've got constituents that sent them there for a reason. and then you've got the president would is just -- you know, just being hammered by the left on not caving this time around because he got so much grief the last time. this is setting up for us to go over the cliff, isn't it? what do you think? do we go over it or not? >> yeah, it is very difficult. and i feel bad for john boehner. he's in a difficult situation....
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the anticipation is they want to get re-elected. they understand the republicans now have detectors. again, the market is saying we with believe in you. don't screw this up. >> all right. you have to get ready for the next hour. >> huge show coming up. timothy geithner at the top of the hour. we're going to find out what's changed since the sunday shows he was doing interviews on. anton, ben, see you soon. i'll see you at the top of the hour. >> capital gains rates are probably going to go up. does that hurt the market as well? >> we've seen a lot of companies sell themselves. it's been a problem in the banking industry because loans have been paid off. they want to grow loans. people are taking control and repaying their loans. i think it's already been anticipated. >> you've had a hot hand trading this market lately. what are you doing, especially bearing in mind we have a jobs number on friday. >> i'm a little concerned on the adp numbers. this is generally the weakest of the year. that's probably baked in a little bit. i think w
the anticipation is they want to get re-elected. they understand the republicans now have detectors. again, the market is saying we with believe in you. don't screw this up. >> all right. you have to get ready for the next hour. >> huge show coming up. timothy geithner at the top of the hour. we're going to find out what's changed since the sunday shows he was doing interviews on. anton, ben, see you soon. i'll see you at the top of the hour. >> capital gains rates are...
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both by the experience with the debt ceiling and with the election. i think if they want to stand their ground, i think they can actually do it. i think that that is, in fact, possible. can they? you know, we'll see. they seem a lot tougher now than they were last time around. don't you think? >> they sound very tough now. chrystia freeland of thomson, and author of "the plutocrats." >>> i promised you, red lobster, olive garden, timely for both, and i will deliver. that is ahead. [ male announcer ] take dayquil... [ ding! ] ...and spend time on the slopes. take alka-seltzer plus cold & cough... [ buzz! ] ...and spend time on the chair. for non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. take dayquil. use nyquil d... [ ding! ] ...and get longer nighttime cough relief. use alka-seltzer plus night cold & flu... [ coughs ] [ buzz! ] [ screams ] ...and you could find yourself... honey? ...on the couch. nyquil d. 50% longer cough and stuffy nose relief. yep. the longer you stay with us, the more you save. and when you switch from another company to us, we even rew
both by the experience with the debt ceiling and with the election. i think if they want to stand their ground, i think they can actually do it. i think that that is, in fact, possible. can they? you know, we'll see. they seem a lot tougher now than they were last time around. don't you think? >> they sound very tough now. chrystia freeland of thomson, and author of "the plutocrats." >>> i promised you, red lobster, olive garden, timely for both, and i will deliver....
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we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in the defense budget. we're probably going to have a double dip recession, and until the congress then gets its act together to fix it and lower rates on the middle class, you will have the republicans essentially responsible for raising tax rates on the middle class. i can't imagine, again, bill krystal said this yesterday. i can't imagine why the republicans would want to be known as raising tacks xes on t middle class. >> thank you both. next, the president reacts to speaker boehner. stay with us. this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just
we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in the defense budget. we're probably going to have a double dip recession, and until the...
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we've had an election and the clearest debate and the clearest difference in that election was over the question of whether the rich should pay more and tax rates should go up on the rich. everybody who paid any attention at all knows that the top 2% are now taking home a larger share of total income and wealth in this country than they have in over 80 years and are paying the lowest effective tax rate they paid in over a half a century. we also have a looming budget deficit. so you don't have to really be a rocket scientist to understand that the rich do have to pay more. taxes do have to be raised on the rich and i think that's why over 60% of the public in these polls are not only supportive of a tax increase on the rich, but also will blame the republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. and this gives frankly, this gives the white house and this gives the obama administration much more bargaining leverage. >> grover norquist, here's the problem, it seems to me. again, as long as the posturing goes on with fairly ridiculous offers on both sides and lots of political rhetoric along t
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that's the ticket for admission because the president won the election and campaigned on that. the democrats are going to have to agree. they'll use uf -- and that means health care for seniors and poor people and special needs kids. that is not an easy thing to ask anybody to do, let alone the democratic party. which really created these programs. this is going to be awful and gruesome, but 70 for 60 in your poll, 60% of americans want to raise taxes on well off americans. 70% don't want to cut or 80, don't want to cut medicare or medicaid, so the hard stuff is coming. this is the easy stuff. >> we're out of time, guys. nice to talk to you. i appreciate it. >>> next, violent clashes along the turkey, syria border and a new heir to the british throne is on the way. our piers morgan will explain the fuss. that's coming up next. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. ♪ â™
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the speaker characterizing this as a status quo election. that's not the way the white house sees it. the white house sees it as an election they won and they picked up seats in the congress. the speaker here reminding the president, hey, you know what, we control the house of representatives. he goes on to characterize the president's proffer from last week. boehner saying, we cannot in good conscience agree to this approach which is neither balanced nor realistic. they talk about possibly raising some entitlement reform proposals with the president. but then the speaker and his co-signers here have this sentence, mindful of the status quo election and questions on entitlement reform we recognize it would be counterproductive to privately or publicly propose entitlement reforms you or the leader of your party are unwilling to changed in near term. boehner is laying out a revision going back to the simpson/bowles plan in some way, shape or form and that's the gist of this offer from the speaker to the president. we're diving into it in real
the speaker characterizing this as a status quo election. that's not the way the white house sees it. the white house sees it as an election they won and they picked up seats in the congress. the speaker here reminding the president, hey, you know what, we control the house of representatives. he goes on to characterize the president's proffer from last week. boehner saying, we cannot in good conscience agree to this approach which is neither balanced nor realistic. they talk about possibly...
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this was a status quo election. the president had a great re-election and the republicans held the house and democrats the senate. they have to sit down and do negotiate. it's not boehner versus geithner. it's can the house republicans buy a plan that they cancel to their members. and will the senate go along and if so will the president sign it. until you get in a room and discuss the elements you get people talking at each other with some absurdity. we are talking about $85 billion a year in added revenue over a ten-year period. we are spending over a trillion dollars in debt every year and not putting anything into it. the republicans have been down the road before where they have been promised three for one, and it never happens. i think they are beginning to realize until it's actually on the table and signed off on by all sides they aren't going to buy into it. >> senator, did the president in this offer with so little in spending cuts and tax reform, the debt limit, did he overplay his hand or is he being rea
this was a status quo election. the president had a great re-election and the republicans held the house and democrats the senate. they have to sit down and do negotiate. it's not boehner versus geithner. it's can the house republicans buy a plan that they cancel to their members. and will the senate go along and if so will the president sign it. until you get in a room and discuss the elements you get people talking at each other with some absurdity. we are talking about $85 billion a year in...
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i think we still need to get through the election or the post election haze. i would say that -- to everybody, listen, we're no longer running for office here. this is about getting back down to brass tacks and figuring out how to solve it. >> which side is not campaigning anymore? >> you've got to listen to who's not talking. i think that's -- in washington, it's always who's not talking. >> we haven't really heard much from senate leadership. >> so that's where our deal gets carved out? >> well, when you start to hear some things from the senate leadership, then you'll know we're getting close to getting something done. and right now they're sending out minions and talking about things that i think are really, you know, staking out claims so they can say they've done that for their constituencies. but it's time right now for the moderates on both sides to step up. for those that are not necessarily at risk of losing elections in the near term to step up and say, listen, just like the leaders said earlier in the program. this is a math problem. it's really no
i think we still need to get through the election or the post election haze. i would say that -- to everybody, listen, we're no longer running for office here. this is about getting back down to brass tacks and figuring out how to solve it. >> which side is not campaigning anymore? >> you've got to listen to who's not talking. i think that's -- in washington, it's always who's not talking. >> we haven't really heard much from senate leadership. >> so that's where our...
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>> how much of this do you think has been affected by the fact that for the first time in this last election, you have people going to the polls and actually voting to allow same sex marriage as opposed to it coming from judges or from legislators? >> i don't think justices sort of said the polls did x so i will do y but in 1986, louis powell, the swing justice of his day, they had the first real gay rights case and he said to his law clerk, you know, as they were sort of weighing the case, you know, i've never met a gay person. i've never met a momhomosexual. what is that like? he didn't know that law clerk himself was homosexual. that was what the world was like in 1986, that a worldly, intelligent man could have thought that he had never met someone who was gay. now even the conservatives on the court couldn't possibly express a sentiment like that and that's just reflected in how the court acts. >> what do you think -- is there any way to read the tea leaves on this? >> you know, based on my experience in the health care case, i'm not going to do a lot of predictions because wrong is wro
>> how much of this do you think has been affected by the fact that for the first time in this last election, you have people going to the polls and actually voting to allow same sex marriage as opposed to it coming from judges or from legislators? >> i don't think justices sort of said the polls did x so i will do y but in 1986, louis powell, the swing justice of his day, they had the first real gay rights case and he said to his law clerk, you know, as they were sort of weighing...
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and using the word revenge after the election. this is the left this, is how they thing. van jones quoted as saying talking about overthrowing the free market system in america and broadly in the west. he said, and i quote we're going to change the whole system. we need a new system. what do you think he means by that? >> let me show another cut from the same speech. >> the president puts forward help for veterans. the republican party votes against help for veterans. we don't care how much these kids suffer overseas. when they come home, let them suffer. we'll vote against them. let the bodies pile up on the beach. and you will face with the prospect of that kind of treachery. treason prevailing in america. >> treason and let the bodies pile up on the beach, all lies with this propaganda of the left continues. >> you have to give to it van jones because at least he's honest. and i would say normal americans who left their country. he's being honest. and most leftists won't be that honest. they think that way but won't be that honest. look. this is how the left thinks thc
and using the word revenge after the election. this is the left this, is how they thing. van jones quoted as saying talking about overthrowing the free market system in america and broadly in the west. he said, and i quote we're going to change the whole system. we need a new system. what do you think he means by that? >> let me show another cut from the same speech. >> the president puts forward help for veterans. the republican party votes against help for veterans. we don't care...
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i think the bottom line is that the president, there's wind in his sails from the election and he feels like he ought to be able to squeeze a heck of a lot out of them. and he's playing hardball. and the cost is that as you folks have noted, we definitely absolutely 100% will go into a recession if they fail. and by playing chicken like this, what the president is doing is telling people right now in december to stop their economic activity because there's this scary thing that might happen if the coin flip comes up. so i think that eat big problem right now. >> i initially read the "new york times" piece about boehner gaining some backing of the house. it's basically saying the guys that wouldn't have gone along with them before in caving are now ready to careful with them. so it's like the same article. >> i think it's 50/50 that we don't get that. i'm not exactly sure that the president doesn't think that if we question over the cliff, that he can blame that on republicans. and then try to fix it next year. but from a position of money. >> secretary geithner said they're ready to go
i think the bottom line is that the president, there's wind in his sails from the election and he feels like he ought to be able to squeeze a heck of a lot out of them. and he's playing hardball. and the cost is that as you folks have noted, we definitely absolutely 100% will go into a recession if they fail. and by playing chicken like this, what the president is doing is telling people right now in december to stop their economic activity because there's this scary thing that might happen if...
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tell me what you want for us to do but i don't like the idea that i was elected and my election certificate is as valid as anybody else's here not to have a say in this. i'd say to my colleagues, lets us, the people's house, take back control of this argument, come together and put something forward. >> you and others have signed on to a so-called discharge petition that would cause the house of representatives to take a vote on the bill passed in the senate some time ago that would extend the so-called bush era tax cuts for people earning less than $250,000. it requires 218 signatures. that means you've got to get some republicans to sign on. do you have any indication that any people will break from speaker boehner and sign your petition? >> i think so. i know one for example, my friend walter jones down in north carolina, said that he's open to it. i think i need 41 people now. we've got 177. i need 41 people to come forward and i think what's really interesting about this is, republicans aren't violating any pledge on this. they are assuring taxes don't go up. i see no reason why we can
tell me what you want for us to do but i don't like the idea that i was elected and my election certificate is as valid as anybody else's here not to have a say in this. i'd say to my colleagues, lets us, the people's house, take back control of this argument, come together and put something forward. >> you and others have signed on to a so-called discharge petition that would cause the house of representatives to take a vote on the bill passed in the senate some time ago that would...
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we thought it would be weak during an election year. there's a whole body of academic evidence that public policy certainly does impair it. but we were stunned as early as the first quarter of this year to see the tech sector, ibm, talking about flat revenue growth in the u.s., and there we think there's a level of cap-ex that has just been foregone because of this public policy uncertainty that, even in a semistable environment, it should rebound a bit. and that could be a big driver for profit growth in '14. >> you point out that your sector positioning, you say it's cautious, but you are upping technology to overweight. underweighting domestic cyclical. if cap-ex is a phenomenon next year why would you not be more highly leveraged to that? >> well, we think that first of all, the numbers, and the valuations, look fully played out. we think they still have housing market euphoria. and, have looked at things like consumer confidence going up, at least until friday, as a result of house prices stabilizing. for us, that's the reason why
we thought it would be weak during an election year. there's a whole body of academic evidence that public policy certainly does impair it. but we were stunned as early as the first quarter of this year to see the tech sector, ibm, talking about flat revenue growth in the u.s., and there we think there's a level of cap-ex that has just been foregone because of this public policy uncertainty that, even in a semistable environment, it should rebound a bit. and that could be a big driver for...
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i doubt our elected officials would be brazen enough to leave washington without an agreement? this is my hunch. if, and that is an if we are going to see a deal, i suspect it'll come in the next two weeks. if we know anything about d.c. lawmakers, their time off may be more of a sacred cow than the belief on tax and spending. if i'm right, it's too bad that their own self-interests motivate them more. >>> before we look the a the day on wall street. and it was a quiet day. at the end of the day, we did see the markets get a good lift up about 40 points on the industrial average. nasdaq composite picked up 15 1/2 points. and the s&p tonight gain of 4.5% points, check out apple today, we did see a bit of a rebound after the big selloff yesterday. apple continues to trade higher in realtime, up 1.5% on apple at
i doubt our elected officials would be brazen enough to leave washington without an agreement? this is my hunch. if, and that is an if we are going to see a deal, i suspect it'll come in the next two weeks. if we know anything about d.c. lawmakers, their time off may be more of a sacred cow than the belief on tax and spending. if i'm right, it's too bad that their own self-interests motivate them more. >>> before we look the a the day on wall street. and it was a quiet day. at the end...
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>> this was ryan's first speech since the election. both he and rubio seemed to be talking about how the republican party needs to be a party that's more inclusive, helping those in the lower associatio economic levels to rise up and prove their standing. both of them, ryan specifically talked about how he was proud of the campaign and that he mitt romney ran this past year. both men seemed to be critical of romney's controversial comments that 47% of the nation is beholding of the government and feels that the government is responsible to take care of them. take a listen to what both men said. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. let's be really clear. republicans must steer far clear of that trap. we must speak to the aspirations and the anxieties of every american. >> i've heard it suggested that the problem is that the american people have changed. too many people want things from government. but i'm still convinced that the overwhelming majority of our people, they just want what my parents ha
>> this was ryan's first speech since the election. both he and rubio seemed to be talking about how the republican party needs to be a party that's more inclusive, helping those in the lower associatio economic levels to rise up and prove their standing. both of them, ryan specifically talked about how he was proud of the campaign and that he mitt romney ran this past year. both men seemed to be critical of romney's controversial comments that 47% of the nation is beholding of the...
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that suggests that speaker boehner is actually in a stronger position in his caucus than when he was elected two years ago. how is he doing, do you think? >> well, i think he's in a stronger position because republicans feel like they're in a weaker position. i think a lot of republicans who might prefer a different leader don't feel they have the luxury of that right now. in fact, even congressman kantor and others, who boehner didn't think he could count on the last time around, are being supportive. republicans are trying to calculate how much they have to give in now and is there a way to fall back with the idea of being able to move ahead in a more aggressive way next year. that's why you saw the president in a very preemptive way trying to rule out the idea of tying talks to next february to raising the debt ceiling. >> alan simpson, the co-chair of the president's deficit commission, was on the "today" show this morning and he said all this talk about either side being able to go off the cliff is ridiculous. let me play that for you. >> when you have leaders of parties and people from
that suggests that speaker boehner is actually in a stronger position in his caucus than when he was elected two years ago. how is he doing, do you think? >> well, i think he's in a stronger position because republicans feel like they're in a weaker position. i think a lot of republicans who might prefer a different leader don't feel they have the luxury of that right now. in fact, even congressman kantor and others, who boehner didn't think he could count on the last time around, are...
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. >> i was so hopeful, i wasn't obviously thrilled with the election results, but i actually thought that result might be the result we needed to get thefshs done. >> in a way you you have the situation where -- >> you extend 98 but not the 2? believing that story is so -- >> either raise them on everyone or raise them on -- either it will hurt the economy if you raise taxes or it's not. on 98 it won't hurt, on 2 it will -- >> we'll have more on this argument. in the meantime, let's talk about some of the other headlines. financial firms are gathering for the goldman sachs financial services contractors. a key presenter is brian money tha moynihan. we talked about his reports of planned fee increases. plus there was the issue of president obama's likely pick to follow tim geithner at treasury. we talked about how buffett threw out jamie dimon's name. here is what moynihan thinks about that idea. >> i won't give individual names, but i think what warren is expressing a view which i agree with is that we need to have very bright, very talented and very broad experienced people help pus
. >> i was so hopeful, i wasn't obviously thrilled with the election results, but i actually thought that result might be the result we needed to get thefshs done. >> in a way you you have the situation where -- >> you extend 98 but not the 2? believing that story is so -- >> either raise them on everyone or raise them on -- either it will hurt the economy if you raise taxes or it's not. on 98 it won't hurt, on 2 it will -- >> we'll have more on this argument. in...
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>> you would have to elect romney to do that. you're not going to extend the bush tax cuts for the high end. >> for another minute. >> not even for a milliseconmil. >> the republicans want to bargain away and let taxes go up by the end of the year and have the big negotiations occur next year when the president will want even more increases in taxes. >> let me ask a different question and it's sort of the -- >> and then we got to go. >> here's the opportunity for the president to eclipse the whole thing, i don't think he's going to but he could eclipse the whole scene. let's not relitigate '01 and '03 let's bridge to tax reform and move forward. the senate democrats not answering their phones are the ones to ask about this one. >> congressman, thank you for being on. >>> the final countdown to the jobs report. stick around. ♪ ♪ mom? dad? guys? [ engine turns over ] [ engine revs ] ♪ he'll be fine. [ male announcer ] more people are leaving bmw, mercedes and lexus for audi than ever before. take advantage of exceptional valu
>> you would have to elect romney to do that. you're not going to extend the bush tax cuts for the high end. >> for another minute. >> not even for a milliseconmil. >> the republicans want to bargain away and let taxes go up by the end of the year and have the big negotiations occur next year when the president will want even more increases in taxes. >> let me ask a different question and it's sort of the -- >> and then we got to go. >> here's the...
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elections have consequences for both sides of the aisle. the president is very aware that he has a responsibility to now go to bat on immigration reform and it seems to be that in the house it's a small step. small private steps are being taken not by the people who put out press releases that don't really say much, but have lovely words to them. they're actually working on it. let's see. piecemeal, i think, will never work. >> margaret. >> i -- i think senator rubio's heart is pure on this, and i think he sees a great big huge bill trying to move it is harder than getting pieces that you can get coalitions on and get something through. you know, on the vote on that 44 point difference, you know, if republicans started speaking to latinos with some respect and not with words like self-deportation and let's fix -- let's close the fence as mccain did. they would be able to hear other parts of the republican message. you can't be sure that all of them are going to -- that they're not all going to be democrats one they're here in & here legal.
elections have consequences for both sides of the aisle. the president is very aware that he has a responsibility to now go to bat on immigration reform and it seems to be that in the house it's a small step. small private steps are being taken not by the people who put out press releases that don't really say much, but have lovely words to them. they're actually working on it. let's see. piecemeal, i think, will never work. >> margaret. >> i -- i think senator rubio's heart is pure...
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what you're saying is the president wins election, the presidential election, and he wins it on a debate about taxes, post-election exit polling reveals that in excess of 60% of americans support his view that taxes on the top 2% should go up, but your position is, no, we should cut taxes. >> the problem is you think we lost on messaging. i think we lost on tactics. the left knocked on doors, went to communities and talked to them. all the right does is try to use ads and robocalls to try to make our message. the most annoying tactics possible and we think people will believe what we're saying. i don't think people think that the job creators aren't doing enough, they need to be paying more, that we need to go out and say this is the employers fault and think that's going to create jobs. people my age, we are looking for work and we know that we don't get jobs from the government because they're controlled by unions. we want real jobs in the private economy. >> but, ron, don't you think you're being a little bit harsh on the speaker. give the man credit. you know, he spent four years opp
what you're saying is the president wins election, the presidential election, and he wins it on a debate about taxes, post-election exit polling reveals that in excess of 60% of americans support his view that taxes on the top 2% should go up, but your position is, no, we should cut taxes. >> the problem is you think we lost on messaging. i think we lost on tactics. the left knocked on doors, went to communities and talked to them. all the right does is try to use ads and robocalls to try...
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they spent over 400 million dollars to get president obama re-elected. stuart: 400 million, that's a gigantic chunk of money. peter, always a pleasure, thanks very much for being with us, on a very important day. tomorrow will be a very important day because it is right to workday back in michigan. we appreciate you being with us. >> thank you very much. stuart: yes, sir. the white house sends out invitations to the inaugurations a lot of cash in return for access. does that sound just a tad hypocritical? we will deal with it next. streamline the proce? at fidelity, we it by merging two toolinto one, combining your customized charts with leading-edge analysis tools from recognia so you can quickly spot key trends and possible entry and ex points. we like this idea so much that we've applied for a patent. i'm colin beck of fidelity investments. our integrated techcal analysis one more innovative reason seous investors are choosing fidelity. now get 200 free trades when you open an account. >> coming up tonight at 7:00 eastern, the obama middle east policy
they spent over 400 million dollars to get president obama re-elected. stuart: 400 million, that's a gigantic chunk of money. peter, always a pleasure, thanks very much for being with us, on a very important day. tomorrow will be a very important day because it is right to workday back in michigan. we appreciate you being with us. >> thank you very much. stuart: yes, sir. the white house sends out invitations to the inaugurations a lot of cash in return for access. does that sound just a...
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and they were very instrumental in helping him get elected and re-elected. >> reporter: that's right. the election results tell the story. president obama won the union vote handily. nationwide, he won 58% of the union vote. compared to governor romney who got 40%. and unions also contributed heavily to donations and get out the vote efforts. $143 million they gave overall in the 2012 campaign to general candidates and elections in general. only 4% went to republicans. the rest went to democrats and outside spending groups. so you can see the impact they had across the board it and, wolf, while michigan wouldn't be the first state to pass right to work laws, in fact, 23 other states already have right to work laws. so tomorrow michigan could become the 24th state to have one. as the birthplace for the organized labor movement in the u.s., passage for this law in michigan would be a body blow to the labor movement in the u.s., wolf. >> certainly would be. thanks very much for that, jessica. >>> the president's due back here in washington just in a little while from michigan. his focus
and they were very instrumental in helping him get elected and re-elected. >> reporter: that's right. the election results tell the story. president obama won the union vote handily. nationwide, he won 58% of the union vote. compared to governor romney who got 40%. and unions also contributed heavily to donations and get out the vote efforts. $143 million they gave overall in the 2012 campaign to general candidates and elections in general. only 4% went to republicans. the rest went to...
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i think businesses are holding back partly because of the election, which is now passed obviously. and the fiscal cliff. i still believe that we're going to end up kicking the can down the road. i think there's lots of pent-up demand in the economy so we're not going to go into a recession. in fact, i think next year we could see some acceleration. one of the key ways to see this is just to look at auto sales for november. they surged to 15.5 million. every time we have a dip in demand because of sandy or something else, we come back. this economy is super resilient and i think we'll be able to go over the cliff or go through the cliff without having a recession. >> i hope you're right. my concern is that you are absolutely wrong. actually the economy is slowing to stall speed and markets could correct badly on the news moving forward. we learned this week that manufacturing contracted in november for the first time in three months. we had analysts on the program talking about the channel checks indicating softness for a second month and today goldman has downgraded growth in the f
i think businesses are holding back partly because of the election, which is now passed obviously. and the fiscal cliff. i still believe that we're going to end up kicking the can down the road. i think there's lots of pent-up demand in the economy so we're not going to go into a recession. in fact, i think next year we could see some acceleration. one of the key ways to see this is just to look at auto sales for november. they surged to 15.5 million. every time we have a dip in demand because...
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he didn't win the election. he certainly did have a plan. >> it is not one that romney backed really. stuart: that's true. i do see a little drift here, a little drift here. at least you're prepared to admit that the president should put forward a reform plan. so let's move on to the issue of tax rates. >> okay. stuart: do you think the president is right to absolutely insist on tax rate increases? he won't tolerate reductions in deductions. he won't do that. no, it must be tax rates. will you defend that? >> well, i think he has the upper hand in the sense that seen, americans say they support raising taxes on the wealthy, so i think he feels that he has a mandate on that issue. look, i feel if the republicans are willing to make up that revenue another way, he should be open to that. i don't think it has to come from raising taxes. it could come -- stuart: the republicans have put forward a plan to raise 800 billion dollars over ten years. >> right. stuart: that's not by raising rates. that's by restricting de
he didn't win the election. he certainly did have a plan. >> it is not one that romney backed really. stuart: that's true. i do see a little drift here, a little drift here. at least you're prepared to admit that the president should put forward a reform plan. so let's move on to the issue of tax rates. >> okay. stuart: do you think the president is right to absolutely insist on tax rate increases? he won't tolerate reductions in deductions. he won't do that. no, it must be tax...
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is this another impact of the election? another consequence of the election? >> yeah, i'd love to know what his republican colleagues are saying behind closed doors. from my perch, you know, this is a guy who played a significant role in costing the gop about a half-dozen seats that they otherwise would have won. look at what happened in i understand. look at what happened in delaware where the mindset of senator demint seems to be one of, let's win the battle, even if we're going to lose the war. they've lost about a half-dozen wars because they put forth names that could win a primary but could never win a general election. my hunch, tamron, is politically some of the republicans are not all that sad to see him go. >> real quick to your point about the win/lose. he supported 20 candidates, 15 won primaries, 7 won general elections. in his reaction mitch mcconnell said that demint helped galvanize the american people against a big government agenda. that's at least what senator mcconnell sees there. >> yeah, right. the fact is his record was not good, and loo
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i came out the day after the election to put revenues on the table. to take a step towards the president to try to resolve this. >> is there someone you could agree to tax rate increases and protect small businesses may be at the same time? >> there are a lot of things that are possible. the president insists on this position. insist on my way or the highway. next. connell: speaker of the house john boehner. dagen: i think ed henry says no progress and charges at the white house. connell: there is the optimism. it has been waning anyway on the stock market. the speaker talk to you about the phone call about the president needing to get more serious. we will talk more about that coming up. mark warner is supposed to join us from capitol hill later this hour. right now, back to the morning jobs report. 146,000 jobs added in november. the unemployment rate fell to 7.7%. both were better than expected. the thing we will focus on is the big story behind all of this. maybe the fact that a generation of americans are being impacted by the lack of a full-time
i came out the day after the election to put revenues on the table. to take a step towards the president to try to resolve this. >> is there someone you could agree to tax rate increases and protect small businesses may be at the same time? >> there are a lot of things that are possible. the president insists on this position. insist on my way or the highway. next. connell: speaker of the house john boehner. dagen: i think ed henry says no progress and charges at the white house....
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they're very upset that their newly elected democratic president morsi is doing things that they not so democratic. he is trying to make it so his decisions are not subject to judicial review. at least six civilians have been killed and hundreds injured in the violence. president obama called his egyptian counterpart yesterday to express concern about the situation that seems to be spinning out of control. he urged president morsi to meet with and negotiate with the opposition. >>> and then there is syria, where nbc news reports the assad regime is preparing chemical weapons that can be loaded onto missiles. and human rights groups say more than 40,000 people have been killed in the last 21 months. we here in america are really intent right now on how we will rewrite our tax code. but if matters in egypt and syria or israel and the palestinian territories which are already getting pretty deadly and tragic and chaotic, if they get worse, the crisis about high end marginal tax cuts will begin to look a lot less like a crisis in comparison. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. in what world
they're very upset that their newly elected democratic president morsi is doing things that they not so democratic. he is trying to make it so his decisions are not subject to judicial review. at least six civilians have been killed and hundreds injured in the violence. president obama called his egyptian counterpart yesterday to express concern about the situation that seems to be spinning out of control. he urged president morsi to meet with and negotiate with the opposition. >>> and...
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that doesn't sit well with mexicans who accuse it of buying the election. hundreds clashed with police outside congress. >>> north korea is going to try again. they want to take another stab at sending a rocket into space. this time, to place a satellite into orbit. this is all coming from north korea state run media. the rocket will be similar to this one. the planned launch, the window is between december 10th and 22nd. u.s. state department is not happy about it, calling any launch by the north koreans provocative. >>> take a look at live pictures from the white house, which is marking world aids day. a day to ponder the fight against hiv and aids. nations around the globe observe the day in their own way. sydney's famous opera house, lit up in red, the color of aids awareness. other countries held rallies. as of last year, an estimated 34 million people were living with hiv. >>> an awful bus crash today on airport property in miami to tell you about. two people died when a tour bus smashed into an overpass. too low for the bus to clear. police and firef
that doesn't sit well with mexicans who accuse it of buying the election. hundreds clashed with police outside congress. >>> north korea is going to try again. they want to take another stab at sending a rocket into space. this time, to place a satellite into orbit. this is all coming from north korea state run media. the rocket will be similar to this one. the planned launch, the window is between december 10th and 22nd. u.s. state department is not happy about it, calling any launch...
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we need our leaders, and the president was elected by the people. he needs to sit down now and the leader along with our leader, the speaker, and talk seriously about these plans. gerri: small business, big business. the governor's. who is left for the president to talk to? >> well, we also found that the president was out at various businesses encouraging the electric ted send it to it's about what he wants. and that is not the way that you get a negotiation going, by talking about this and the public as he has. he needs to sit down with the leaders of the house and the senate and he needs to be the leader on this. we are not seeing it here, and it's very, very discouraging. gerri: o what you to respond to what nancy pelosi had to say about hostage-taking today. pretty dramatic comments. this is nancy pelosi. >> the republicans are saying that rather than passing that they want to hold it hostage, giving an additional tax cut to people making over $250,000 a year. that is not negotiating. that is hostage-taking. gerri: how would you respond to that
we need our leaders, and the president was elected by the people. he needs to sit down now and the leader along with our leader, the speaker, and talk seriously about these plans. gerri: small business, big business. the governor's. who is left for the president to talk to? >> well, we also found that the president was out at various businesses encouraging the electric ted send it to it's about what he wants. and that is not the way that you get a negotiation going, by talking about this...
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george bush lost an election in '92. he raised taxes on the democrats promised him $2 in spending cuts for every dollar in new taxes. george bush is still waiting for those $2 in spending cuts. now the president is saying to live in give you two and a half to one. it's time the democrats and the president stepped up and cut spending. gerri: to that point. i want you to respond to what the white house had to say in response to the republicans offer and then go to michael's point about what you will actually get later. here is what dan pfeiffer said. it promises to lower rates for the wealthy and stick the middle-claas with the bill. we could do it pinocchio test. is that true or false? >> completely false. they want to keep all the race the same. now lower than for anybody. and maintaining the status quo on rates. the deductions are actually targeted for upper-income people. the democrats, the white house, some left wing groups that on behalf of the white house imagined how they would design the republican plan and then t
george bush lost an election in '92. he raised taxes on the democrats promised him $2 in spending cuts for every dollar in new taxes. george bush is still waiting for those $2 in spending cuts. now the president is saying to live in give you two and a half to one. it's time the democrats and the president stepped up and cut spending. gerri: to that point. i want you to respond to what the white house had to say in response to the republicans offer and then go to michael's point about what you...
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and i think that they're certainly trying to leverage off of that since the election. >> well, they-- that was one of many, many, many factors. >> absolutely. >> and after the election and the fact is, as we all agree, the private sector union is a dying animal and that they only can survive if they can thoroughly control the public sector and this is just another example of their slow, painful death. >> on that upbeat note. i want you to look at this. the parent company of red lobster, filing a fight for the president's health care law, not because of the actual law, because it criticized the law. the gang from forbes is going to explain the top of the hour, up next, did any of you see this? >> oh! oh! >> apparently these guys just found out that they could get fined for eating while driving. is nothing sacred? having you ship my gifts couldn't be easier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. > >> coming down and p
and i think that they're certainly trying to leverage off of that since the election. >> well, they-- that was one of many, many, many factors. >> absolutely. >> and after the election and the fact is, as we all agree, the private sector union is a dying animal and that they only can survive if they can thoroughly control the public sector and this is just another example of their slow, painful death. >> on that upbeat note. i want you to look at this. the parent company...